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February 2009
[edit]Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. One of the core policies of Wikipedia is that articles should always be written from a neutral point of view. A contribution you made to B-29 Superfortress appears to carry a non-neutral point of view, and your edit may have been changed or reverted to correct the problem. Please remember to observe our core policies. Thank you. -MBK004 22:52, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
According the Wikipedia Definition for Vandalism: Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. Even harmful edits that are not explicitly made in bad faith are not considered vandalism.B29bomber (talk) 19:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
- Removing CSD templates is considered vandalism - Avoidant vandalism. See here: Wikipedia:Vandalism. Peasantwarrior (talk) 19:02, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
All I am doing is contesting your 'opinion' of my article. You say there is no context, I was in the middle of putting in context when you deleted it. B29bomber (talk)
According to the Wikipedia Definition for 'Vandalism': Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. Even harmful edits that are not explicitly made in bad faith are not considered vandalism.B29bomber (talk) 19:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Speedy deletion of 330th Bombardment Group
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[edit]Thanks pleasantwarrior, but I have emailed wikipedia giving them permission to use this data. I own the website that this information is taken from and would like to share it with a broader audience.., like wikipedia.,. although from what warm reception I have been given by the gestapo gatekeepers.., i will most likely just keep it on my site. B29bomber (talk) 19:15, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
- Just received an email from Permissions Wikipedia in reference to my copyright references to the 330th BG. I received permission to use it as set forth in free license agreement.B29bomber (talk) 21:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Note from an administrator
[edit]Hi, I see you're trying to constructively contribute to wikipedia and are a bit confused by all these messages above. First, let me stop and welcome you. As a former bomber in B-29's, I'm sure you have quite a lot to add. (For what it's worth, my father was a B-29 gunner) However we have guidelines we must work with. I suspect these topics you are writing about are very much deserving of articles on them, but we have to go about it a bit differently. Perhaps you could take a look at this guide to your first article before proceeding or worse, giving up. Feel free to drop me a note on my talk page if you have questions or I can be of assistance. Again, welcome, we are lucky to have you. Toddst1 (talk) 19:44, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
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Preventing 330th Bombardment Group from being deleted
[edit]What I would recommend you do immediately is add your argument for keeping the article to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/330th Bombardment Group saying:
- something to the effect that the organization is notable in its own right (using the wikipedia definition of WP:Notable which is somewhat different from the common sense definition)
- ask for help improving the article
- say that if the article is deleted, you'd like the option of improving it in your user space (I'll explain below) and recreating it later.
I'd focus on getting this article in shape before starting any other articles. I'm glad to help you with that. Unfortunately, I'll be pretty busy with off-wiki stuff the next several days. Toddst1 (talk) 16:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Follow-up
[edit]It looks like lots of folks are weighing in that this article should be kept and you should feel good about that. Sorry it was so tough at first, but your initial experience here is not uncommon. We get so many folks who are here just to vandalize and folks trying to promote their business or their singing career that sometimes we're hard on the new guy, which is unfair. On that note, I want to acknowledge your frustration, but say that you should refrain from negative comments directed at people like calling folks gestapo and stuff like that. We have a policy, WP:Civil that talks about that (as well as a policy WP:Bite that talks about not picking on the new guy).
I've taken the liberty of cleaning some stuff up on your talk page for you. I hope you don't mind. Again, let me know if I can help. Toddst1 (talk) 16:40, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Preventing new articles in general from being deleted
[edit]In a general sense, I always like to see articles started in user space (or user's private files) and then placed into article space later. Let me explain what your user space is:
Your username is B29bomber:
- Your user page is the page at User:B29bomber (or Special:Mypage)
- Your user talk page is the page at User talk:B29bomber (or Special:Mytalk)
- Your user subpages are pages of the form User:B29bomber/Lipsum (Special:Mypage/Lipsum) or User talk:B29bomber/Lipsum (Special:Mytalk/Lipsum), and are listed at Special:Prefixindex/User:B29bomber/ and Special:Prefixindex/User talk:B29bomber/.
- Your user space is the collection of all the above.
- Note: "Your" in this context means associated with you, not belonging to you.
I have quite a few files in my user space as you can see. At the moment, none of them are articles under construction, but that is where I created articles like USCGC Cuyahoga (WIX-157) and then moved them to their final home when they were ready for the intense scrutiny that you've seen.
The deal is articles there don't come under scrutiny like regular articles. They do have to abide by the somewhat common-sense rules at Wikipedia:User page which also has instructions on how to create a page in your user space.
I hope this helps and isn't too confusing. Best regards. Toddst1 (talk) 16:22, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
- If you need any help with anything, feel free to leave Todd or I a message - we will be happy to help you with whatever you need. :) Have a great day! —Ed 17 (Talk / Contribs) 18:43, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
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Changes to B-29 armament
[edit]Hi B29bomber, welcome to Wikipedia! As you have noticed there is a "fact" being cited which you, as an eyewitness, have contradicted. However, the problem is that especially in the case of disputed facts, Wikipedia policy is to be able to back things up with preferably Published references, ie; books. I understand your frustration that, as a veteran, you are reading something which you know to be wrong. Unfortunately, because you have not cited a reference to back up your direct observations other editors are entitled to revert your editing. Frustrating!? You bet! If you can find some written information confirming that B-29s operated with empty ammo boxes, rather than had their armament removed entirely it would help a great deal. Unfortunately my personal library includes nothing on the B-29, but I do know that I have read something which confirms what you say - I just wish I could remember where it is! Frustrating? You bet!
For some reason this article presents a lot of facts, and there is an extensive bibliography, yet few of these are used as references! If anything the article needs an extensive overhaul, because the extensive use of websites is directly contrary to Wikipedia policy. Have a look at other aircraft articles (eg P-51 Mustang) and you'll see how references are used. If you can help add to the information in this article, with proper references, that would be great. Cheers, regards, Minorhistorian (talk) 21:04, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- PS; Feel free to ask questions on my talk page. In the back of my mind I know you're right and, if I can find some time, I'll do some digging around. Minorhistorian (talk) 21:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
WOW, the P-51 page is a beautiful article! Certainly wish I had the time to devote to my 330th Bombardment Group running out of time, unfortunately, is where I am headed. I know of several crews that told LeMay's order to 'stick it' and they smuggled in ammunition. After several missions and not seeing any fighters on these night raids..,most of them agreed and left ammunition out of all boxes, except for the Tail Gunner.There were only two bomb groups that had the 'slick' silverplate B-29's. The 505th and the 315th. The 505th is what the Enola Gay flew under. The 315th flew from an adjacent field to west of the 330th's North Field. They were recon and RCM (RADAR countermeasure) aircraft only. They would occasionally fly with bombs, but mostly a giant car sized fuel tank would be in their bellies. The remaining bomber groups did not have their turrets removed as this would have required extensive modifications as the B-29 was a pressurized aircraft. You could not just pull out the guns. You would have to send her back to the factory for the 'mod'. As far as the reason for cutting back on the ammo, the Japs did not have any RADAR night fighters so there was no opposition from them at night. They had to worry about the Ohkas being dropped from the Betty Bombers, but they had a short range and the B-29 could almost outrun them. I am not aware of a single instant where the Ohka/Baka Bombs were effective other than to scare the living hell out of a crew. Thank you for your hard work and persistance. I mean no harm. Just frustrating trying to get the facts right. Once these boys are gone, it is going to be up to the rest of you to keep the facts straight.--B29bomber (talk) 21:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- No problems - I'll see what I can do to help, although my time is a little limited with other committments. Cheers! Minorhistorian (talk) 01:18, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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330th BG
[edit]Wish I could find a group patch or emblem for the page.
Also, the B-29 serials seem to be missing this aircraft...
http://www.angelfire.com/pa5/mollpa2/images/allentownb29.jpg
Best I can determine is that "City Of Allentown" was B-29-65-BW USAAF # 44-69886 330th BG (VH) 457th BS. It was a production B-29A Boeing construction number 10718.
Allentown, by the way.. is my hometown :)
Regards and thanks :) Bwmoll3 (talk) 18:50, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you for your research with regards to Allentown. Will update the site shortly :) Nope - no idea who the crew was.. but would certainly like to know.. Take care and Merry Christmas to you :) Bwmoll3 (talk) 19:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- 44-69886 was NOT in the 330th Bombardment Group. I am the surviving Historian for the group and I maintain a list of ALL of their aircraft. "City of Allentown" was NOT one of them.B29bomber (talk) 14:36, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
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July 2010
[edit]Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to Wikipedia. However, please know that editors do not own articles and should respect the work of their fellow contributors on 330th Bombardment Group (VH). If you create or edit an article, know that others are free to change its content. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. B29, based on your comments at several different locations, it appears that you believe that the article belongs to you. Please be aware that once the article is submitted, any editor can make changes to the article, including additions, deletions, moves, etc. If there is a disagreement, it needs to go on the talk page of the article and discussed for consensus. You may also want to look at WP:BRD for the process to handle if someone makes a change you disagree with, so that you avoid any problems with edit-warring. You've done a good job on the article, and you should be proud of it - but it still belongs to Wikipedia and not to an individual editor. Regards, GregJackP Boomer! 20:33, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Proposed split of 330th Bombardment Group (VH)
[edit]This article has reached 114KB, well past the size recommended for spliting and I have proposed that it be split into two separate articles, 330th Bombardment Group (World War II) and List of Combat Missions of the 330th Bombardment Group (World War II). A discussion on the proposed split is here and comments (both for or against) are invited. Regards, GregJackP Boomer! 09:02, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
Friendly comment
[edit]B29, it is generally considered bad form to edit another user's post on a talkpage, as you did here. It is much better if the other editor's post is in error, to post the correct information on your own, separate from their signed comment. Regards, GregJackP Boomer! 12:44, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
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; ~~~ #My strengths #Articles I'd like to see the task force improve #: #: #: #: #Sources which I have #: #: #Articles I'm willing to provide assistance #:
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330th Bombardment Group Commanders
[edit]I have once again deleted the entry in the infobox for Notable Commanders in this article. First, only one of the commanders listed commanded the group. Squadron commanders may appropriately be listed in the articles for the squadrons. In addition, there is no justification given for the notability of the one listed group commander (see Wikipedia:Notability (people)). Notable commanders are usually ones who have been promoted to general officer rank, or who have earned decorations like the Medal of Honor or the Victoria Cross. In particular your reversion did not state a reason for considering any of the listed commanders as notable, nor did you make any attempt to discuss notability on the talk page for the article. There is no problem listing Col. Reynolds as commander. Note that if you list a commander in the Template:Infobox military unit the first listing defaults to "Notable Commanders" as a label. If you desire to list him as a commander, you can insert an appropriate alternative name and the default label will not appear.--Lineagegeek (talk) 22:53, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
330th Bomb group
[edit]I understand what you are trying to achieve but the problem is threefold
1) to give a rebuttal to some alleged fact, that fact has to be in the article in the first place. It's not enough to say in a (hypothetical) article that "so-and-so was not the first person to fly upside down, it was Uncle Tom Cobley" without preceding it by some text such as "Dr Thingummy claimed in his famous 1923 book that so-and-so was the first man to fly upside down."
2) You need to source both parts of the statement. On top of identifying the claims reliably in whatever sources they exist and the claim needs to be important enough to warrant inclusion - a forum post or a letter to a provincial newspaper is not significant. You then have to source a negative. Best you can do is source the unit that was the back-up.
3) the statements have to be in the right sort of tone to fit in with the encyclopaedic style. This means not addressing the reader directly in so far as telling them to do something or not. And no unnatural stressing with formatting as that would go against the manual of style.
What you are looking for is something like this "On the primetime documentary (insert programme name), Captain (ditto other name) claimed that the (numbered aviation unit) was responsible for the bombs that destroyed (Japanese warship).[reference] Historians agree that it was (name of other unit) that was responsible.[reference]
Hope this is of some help. GraemeLeggett (talk) 19:11, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
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table of aircraft in 330 Bombardment group
[edit]There really is too much incidental information in the table as it stands to include it. Hence I removed it. I think you are going to have to marshall some very strong arguments for its inclusion - eg showing how the table adds to an understanding of the history of the unit, or rework the table to be more succinct. There's plenty of space to talk it over on the article talk page and the other editors will I am sure be prepared to engage in discussion. GraemeLeggett (talk) 19:48, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
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Help in maintaining NPOV on historical Pacific War aviator
[edit]Hi B29bomber. I'm looking for some third parties to review a problem editor who (in my opinion) continues to violate the NPOV policy of Wikipedia on the page of a Pacific War aviator, Mitsuo Fuchida. After exhausting myself trying to maintain viable content in the "Controversy" section, I'm asking for a page ban for this user. If you have time and motivation, I'd really appreciate your consideration to review this issue. The Noticeboard Request is to be found here: [1] I hate to take anyone's time, but this problem is why many won't trust Wikipedia. Thanks for your consideration.
I used to live in Richmond, VA and visitied the Enola Gay up near D.C. Amazing.--TMartinBennett (talk) 18:13, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
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The Bugle: Issue CXXII, May–June 2016
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The Bugle: Issue CXXIII, July 2016
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The Bugle: Issue CXXIV, August 2016
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The Bugle: Issue CXXV, September 2016
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The Bugle: Issue CXXVI, October 2016
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The Bugle: Issue CXXVII, November 2016
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ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open!
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The Bugle: Issue CXXVIII, December 2016
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The Bugle: Issue CXXIX, January 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXX, February 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXI, March 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXII, April 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXIII, May 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXIV, June 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXV, July 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXVI, August 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXVII, September 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXVIII, October 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXIX, November 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXL, December 2017
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User group for Military Historians
[edit]Greetings,
"Military history" is one of the most important subjects when speak of sum of all human knowledge. To support contributors interested in the area over various language Wikipedias, we intend to form a user group. It also provides a platform to share the best practices between military historians, and various military related projects on Wikipedias. An initial discussion was has been done between the coordinators and members of WikiProject Military History on English Wikipedia. Now this discussion has been taken to Meta-Wiki. Contributors intrested in the area of military history are requested to share their feedback and give suggestions at Talk:Discussion to incubate a user group for Wikipedia Military Historians.
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The Bugle: Issue CXLI, January 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CXLII, February 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CXLIII, March 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CXLIIV, April 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CXLIV, May 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CXLVI, June 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CXLVII, July 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CXLVIII, August 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CXLIX, September 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CL, October 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CLI, November 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CLII, December 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CLIII, January 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLIV, February 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLV, March 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLVI, April 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLVII, May 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLVIII, June 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLIX, July 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLX, August 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLX, August 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLXI, September 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLXII, October 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLXIII, November 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLXIV, December 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLXV, January 2020
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The Bugle: IssueICLXVI, February 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXVII, March 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXVIII, April 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXIX, May 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXX, June 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXI, July 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXII, August 2020
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The Bugle: Issue Issue CLXXIII, September 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXIV, October 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXV, November 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVI, December 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVII, January 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, February 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, February 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXIX, March 2021
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April 2021 WikiProject Military History Reviewing Drive
[edit]Hey y'all, the April 2021 WikiProject Military History Reviewing Drive begins at 00:01 UTC on April 1, 2021 and runs through 23:59 UTC on April 31, 2021. Points can be earned through reviewing articles on the AutoCheck report, reviewing articles listed at WP:MILHIST/ASSESS, reviewing MILHIST-tagged articles at WP:GAN or WP:FAC, and reviewing articles submitted at WP:MILHIST/ACR. Service awards and barnstars are given for set points thresholds, and the top three finishers will receive further awards. To participate, sign up at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_History/April 2021 Reviewing Drive#Participants and create a worklist at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/April 2021 Reviewing Drive/Worklists (examples are given). Further details can be found at the drive page. Questions can be asked at the drive talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:27, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
April 2021 WikiProject Military History Reviewing Drive
[edit]Hey y'all, the April 2021 WikiProject Military History Reviewing Drive begins at 00:01 UTC on April 1, 2021 and runs through 23:59 UTC on April 31, 2021. Points can be earned through reviewing articles on the AutoCheck report, reviewing articles listed at WP:MILHIST/ASSESS, reviewing MILHIST-tagged articles at WP:GAN or WP:FAC, and reviewing articles submitted at WP:MILHIST/ACR. Service awards and barnstars are given for set points thresholds, and the top three finishers will receive further awards. To participate, sign up at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_History/April 2021 Reviewing Drive#Participants and create a worklist at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/April 2021 Reviewing Drive/Worklists (examples are given). Further details can be found at the drive page. Questions can be asked at the drive talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:08, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CLXXX, April 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXI, May 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXII, June 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXIII, July 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXIV, August 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXV, September 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXV, September 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXV, October 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVI, November 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVII, December 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, January 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIV, February 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVII, March 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, April 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCIII, May 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCIV, June 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCVI, July 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCVII, August 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCVIII, September 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCVIII, October 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCIX, November 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CC, December 2022
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The Bugle: Issue 201, January 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 202, February 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 203, March 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 204, April 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 205, May 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 205, May 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 206, June 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 207, July 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 208, August 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 209, September 2023
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